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Tucker Carlson's Interview on Joe Rogan

A Few Notes about Episode #2138

Tucker Carlson appeared on Joe Rogan earlier this month. For three hours, I found myself struck by numerous things.

First, we are the same age (he would've been a Freshman when I was a Senior in high school), we both underachieved in high school, and we both held conventional, conservative views our young adult lives: Republican party is good and the Democrats bad, the military (and, by extension, the CIA) is good, corporations are good and hippies bad.

But here we are, in our fifties, and we don't hold those views anymore. We've turned cold skeptics when it comes to anything the Republicans or military offer, though we still both loathe the Democratic party, but not because it's liberal, but because it has become downright insidious. I think we'd both agree with a recent statement by Matt Taibbi about why he attacks Democrats:

The Republicans have very little institutional power nationally. It’s not their point of view prevailing in schools, on campuses, in newsrooms (where over 90% of working reporters vote blue), and especially in the intelligence and military apparatus, which has openly aligned itself with Democrats. Even if Donald Trump were a “threat to Democracy” he lacks the institutional pull to do much damage, which can’t be said of Democrats.

And here we are, in our fifties, joined by our former enemies on the Left. The Joe Rogans and Matt Taibbis and scores of others who have grown disgusted with the rabid new Leftism.

The vast bulk of us are in our fifties.

We're all old enough to compare the "facts" presented to us back then with the truth, but we're all still young enough to have the energy to care.

And we're all Generation X. I think we all share a quiet disdain for the Baby Boomers who suppressed us while they kept the reigns of power (a frequent complaint by Bret Weinstein) and now seem perfectly content with the morass of shit they've left behind, from a bloated central government with unmanageable welfare obligations to the "Y Generation" . . . offspring of the Boomers, whereas X generation were mostly offspring of Depression babies).

Carlson on UFOs

But what really struck me?

Carlson's speculations on UFOs.

I've long been agnostic on everything "supernatural," from the occult to UFOs to ghosts. I leaned strongly skeptic until my early twenties, but Russell Kirk's respect for ghosts shifted me to agnosticism about such things in my late twenties.

Carlson was a stone-cold skeptic about UFOs.

Until 2017 (when an insider at the Department of Defense told him a lot of these reports were real).

At this point, he believes in them.

Well, kinda.

And that's the thing that struck me the most in the entire interview. It was the first subject they talked about. They only stayed on the topic for about 30 minutes. I wish they had stayed on it for the entire three hours.

Carlson said that he doesn't know anything, but there are a few things everyone knows at this point.

  1. Enough is going on in the skies and underwater that the U.S. military has been forced to respond to it.
  2. The U.S. government doesn't want people to know about it.
  3. The U.S. military can't control the objects because the objects' movements defy everything we know about physics. People have been killed by them, as evidenced by court cases working their way through the Veterans Affairs courts.
  4. Every society before 1945 believed that the supernatural could invade everyday life (the "unseen battle that goes on around us").

Carlson has concluded that these are spiritual phenomena, which appears to parallel the tentative position of Diana Pasulka (who also appeared on JRE and whose current book, Encounters, is very odd . . . jumping from UFO artificial intelligence to Fulton Sheen's mystical impact to the Vatican and back to the Invisible College).

He seems pretty convinced that these objects are not from another planet. If they were, we'd see them coming into our atmosphere ("space is well-monitored").


So, they're from here, and they've been here for thousands of years, whatever 'they' are, and it's pretty clear to me that they're spiritual entities, whatever that means, they're supernatural, which is to say 'above the natural' and 'above the observable' . . . and they don't behave according to the laws of science, as measured by people, and they've been here for a long time. There's a ton of evidence that they're under the ocean and under the ground. (8:00)

After 2017, he jumped into journalism mode and investigated it. He interviewed tons of people and gathered information.

And then he stopped.


Because, he said, the conclusions were all very dark and weren't helping him be a better person. On top of that, the conclusions he was coming to weren't pragmatic: There's nothing he could do to change the conclusions or the effects of the conclusions.

He concludes that these spiritual entities are demonic (he says "some of them are bad"). He points out that, in the spiritual world, everything is a binary: good or bad (something I hadn't thought about, but I guess it makes sense: angels don't contend with bodies and Original Sin, which are what makes us this amalgam of good and bad).

He also points out that "there's evidence that there is a relationship between" these spiritual entities and the U.S. government (16:01).